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Look, you misunderstood me. I think we should go after this guy because he is an anti-American prick who has actively targeted the U.S. and nobody else. He is purposefully targeting the U.S. Thus far he has not leaked anything important. But because he is continually targeting the U.S., maybe in the future he will leak something really important. That is why he is dangerous. Also, his revelation that he is going to reveal all documents,even redacted names, if he is put on trial for sexual assault in Sweden, just shows that he is dangerous. Revealing those names then does become espionage. He is no longer just making "news", he is targeting U.S. government employees. Fuck him. But... I am not going to stand by the claim that "But that is BS, these documents were stolen and published illegally." Fine. So put the people who stole them in jail. But what do you mean "published illegally."? There is very little out there that constitutes "illegal publication". Publishing stolen documents is actually not illegal. It is their theft in the first place that is illegal. But publishing them is protected by the First Amendment, which I think is more important than both the secrets themselves or this douchebag's rights. Lots of good has come out of leaks (thus my comment about the Pentagon Papers). That doesn't mean one should encourage the leaks, but you can't prosecute someone just for leaking them. Think about what would happen next time someone leaks something to the press? We need that room to maneuver. It is necessary in a democracy. So anyways, I am not so worried about the "leaking" part. That has happened before and will happen again. Hell, even the idea of Wikileaks is a good one. Whistelblowers can go to this site and feel safe to reveal things people should know about... such as if a Chinese company is using fake milk or if some farmer is leaking mercury into a stream. There have actually been cases like that leaked to Wikileaks... so it is not all this secret supposedly spy stuff. The problem, however, is that this idiot is so anti-American and is on a mission to build a pyramid to his own ego. That is the real issue here. His ego and anti-Americanism. And I think we need to remove him one way or another before that drive leads him to publishing something truly damaging, putting U.S. government employees in danger. But the act of publishing leaked information has been the bedrock of American investigative journalism. You can't fault the concept because he is a douche. And you can't go against our own First Amendment because he is a douche. From: "Sean Noonan" T "Marko Papic" Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 11:48:48 PM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... like jogging....... ????? From: "Marko Papic" T "Analyst List" Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 12:47:05 AM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... Yeah but my point was that the common folk are not outraged except at Assange. He wanted people to be outraged at the government. Nobody is, in fact most people think the diplomats are doing their job. That's a change considering what low opinion most people have of diplomats. And as for my comment about wikileaks, I was being far more philosophical than the question of whether it is illegal or not. From time to time, you got to leak some stuff... it's just the way it is. It's good for the country. Doesn't feel nice, but it's good. Like jogging. But my overall point here is that Assange is just an anti-American prick who things he is going to leak some stuff that leaves the American people outraged. What an idiot. As Stewart said the other night, this is the country that sold weapons to Iran so that we can fund right-wing guerrillas in Central America. And this idiot thought we would be outraged by someone calling Merkel "risk-averse". He is a fucking idiot. From: "Sean Noonan" T "Analyst List" Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 11:42:17 PM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... Queensland= Aussie Texas. Y'all have an attitude that Alabamans don't. Last I saw Assange was charged with sexual assault, not rape. That's different in the US, obviously, but no idea about Sweden. And Marko, I beg to differ. The leaks are wrong. Are they seriously damaging? No, but that doesn't make it OK. Serious laws were violated here, and the only reason they have some freedom of movement is because Wikileaks (presumably) is not state-sponsored and claim to be some sort of journalism. But that is BS, these documents were stolen and published illegally. We can go into the whole argument of overclassification- and be right to say that most of this stuff should no longer be classified. That does not change the fact that the documents were classified. Some sort of civil disobedience is not going to change the USG's culture of secrecy. That idea by Assange is just ludicrous. This is just an NGO-version of espionage and everyone involved should be arrested and tried accordingly (and disrupted if we can't get them to court). What Matt said about a large number of the American right being pretty pissed off about these is also true. Assange has been called a terrorist many times, I think Palin wanted to hunt him down. From: "Meredith Friedman" T "Analyst List" Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 12:21:43 AM Subject: RE: Assange is off the hook... The Landsdowne Hotel and the pub crawls...but I totally agree with your view on Queensland!! From: analysts-bounces@stratfor.com [mailtanalysts-bounces@stratfor.com] On Behalf Of Chris Farnham Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:17 PM T Analyst List Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... Oh the teaching is still first rate and turned me in to the intellectual Adonis that I am. Was just that the majority of the company there sucked. Nestled between Glebe and Newtown since their gentrification hasn't helped, I don't think. Thank god for the Landsdowne Hotel!! From: "Meredith Friedman" T "Analyst List" Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 1:09:42 PM Subject: RE: Assange is off the hook... I am a proud alumnus of Sydney Uni thank you very much. But it was much better back then.... From: analysts-bounces@stratfor.com [mailtanalysts-bounces@stratfor.com] On Behalf Of Chris Farnham Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 11:07 PM T Analyst List Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... If you think you're going to get any argument out of me on Usyd you're going to be disappointed. The place was full of left wing socialist wankers or college boy, Aviator wearing, popped collar rich kids. Going to hazard a guess that Assange may also have studied there as well. Queensland is Australia's version of Alabama, only with better beaches. From: "George Friedman" T "Analyst List" Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 12:53:55 PM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... It is possible to revoke citizenship on the grounds of being a dickhead except in Australia, where all of Queensland and a good part of South Australia, along with all of Sydney Uni would lose their passports. On 12/05/10 22:42 , Chris Farnham wrote: Is it possible to revoke some one's citizenship on the grounds of them being a total dickhead? I don't care about the other leaks but the ones he has made that potentially damage Australian interests upset me. If I thought I could switch this dickhead off without getting done I don't think I'd have too much of a problem. BTW, close family friend in Sweden who knows the girl that is pressing charges tells me that there is absolutely nothing behind it other than prosecutors that are looking to make a name for themselves. My friend speaks rather disparagingly about the girl who is claiming molestation. I also think the whole rape thing is incorrect for if I remember correctly rape was never the charge. From: "Marko Papic" T "Analyst List" Sent: Monday, December 6, 2010 12:23:03 PM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... What a douche. And I just want to be clear here... I have no problem with the leaks. I think they're great. And I think it may be good on some level to have stuff like this come out once in a while. What I can't stand is A) his ego trip and B) his clear anti-Americanism. Take the time to read the intro to Cablegate when you get the chance. This guy hates America more than OBL. What I love, however, is how nobody in the U.S. is mad about the cables. Hell, I have a better opinion of State Department diplomats now than I did before the cables. They actually said a few smart things here and there. I actually gave them a tip of my hat. I want to see him try to take on the Russians. He'd be going bald in an Iceland hospital within days. From: "Reva Bhalla" T "Analyst List" Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2010 10:11:39 PM Subject: Re: Assange is off the hook... should we change our Stratfor motto now? Predictive, insightful intelligence...in a post-Cablegate world. On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Marko Papic wrote: This guy needs to take pills for his eg He suggested, not for the first time, that he believes his document service has had a profound effect on world history: a**I believe geopolitics will be separated into pre- and post-Cablegate phases.a** Also, I have a question about this part (this is Assange's lawyer saying how Wikileaks would release full versions of all files including names of spies, etc. if harmed): WikiLeaks, Mr. Stephens said, has a**been subject to cyberattacks and censorship around the world and they need to protect themselves ... This is what they believe to be a thermonuclear device in the information age.a** Let's say the following scenario happens. Assange is arrested and extradicted to Sweden to face rape charges. Wikileaks releases the password to the insurance files. Would he not then be directly endangering U.S. and other country intelligence professionals? Would it not then be possible to prosecute him for espionage? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Marko Papic Geopol Analyst - Eurasia STRATFOR 700 Lavaca Street - 900 Austin, Texas 78701 USA P: + 1-512-744-4094 marko.papic@stratfor.com Marko Papic STRATFOR Analyst C: + 1-512-905-3091 marko.papic@stratfor.com Chris Farnham Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR China Mobile: (86) 1581 1579142 Email: chris.farnham@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com George Friedman Founder and CEO Stratfor 700 Lavaca Street Suite 900 Austin, Texas 78701 Phone 512-744-4319 Fax 512-744-4334 Chris Farnham Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR China Mobile: (86) 1581 1579142 Email: chris.farnham@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com Chris Farnham Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR China Mobile: (86) 1581 1579142 Email: chris.farnham@stratfor.com www.stratfor.com Sean Noonan Tactical Analyst Office: +1 512-279-9479 Mobile: +1 512-758-5967 Strategic Forecasting, Inc. www.stratfor.com Marko Papic STRATFOR Analyst C: + 1-512-905-3091 marko.papic@stratfor.com Sean Noonan Tactical Analyst Office: +1 512-279-9479 Mobile: +1 512-758-5967 Strategic Forecasting, Inc. www.stratfor.com Marko Papic STRATFOR Analyst C: + 1-512-905-3091 marko.papic@stratfor.com

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